A few weeks ago, I was sitting in the computer lab where I am employed trying to focus on statistics when I was suddenly jarred away from a hopeless attempt to make sense of mathematics by a loud shriek from across the hall. Shrieking is not a frequent occurrence on our campus, so I stood up from my chair and made my way cautiously towards the door.
“What’s going on?” I asked a sleepy looking student entering the lab.
“Oh,” he said, “Prop 8 passed.”
“ugh,” I thought.
I stumbled back behind the front desk and flopped in my chair—deflated.
I had been feeling pretty good that morning. The night before America had finally elected a progressive leader (well, sort of progressive, but I’ll get to Obama’s cabinet in another post)—and much to my pleasant surprise they did it despite his having a goofy name and being non-white. This proposition 8 news, which reported that the right of thousands of Californians to marry one another had been revoked, however, was like a kick to the sternum—enough to knock all the liberal glee out of me.
California?
‘Really?’ I thought to myself.
Aren’t the Castro and Haight Ashberry in California?
Ok, so maybe that’s just San Francisco, but still, what ever happened to the laid back, live and let live, warm weather surfer attitude?
I don’t know why I was so surprised, California doesn’t exactly have a stellar track record for good political decision making. We’re talking about the same state that elected the Terminator as governor. I wonder if the people of California were just unconsciously hoping that he would terminate California’s economy with the same destructive vigor which led to the demise of the T1000. Asta la vista baby!
My mind shifted from the state of California’s economic crisis to the phenomenon that had just taken place down the hall from me.
The noisy expelling of air that I had heard from the other room was not a shriek of terror—mirroring my own emotion—but a yelp of joy.
Thousands of people just lost a human right—and this person has the gal to shout with delight?
I became slightly nauseated as I realized where I was—BYU.
Brigham Young University, the university owned an operated by the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints (the LDS church)—you know the mormons.
The church whose members were responsible for 4 out of every 5 dollars which funded the advertising campaign in support of proposition 8.
The church that told its California members to get out and knock doors in support of prop 8.
It’s also the church that I happen to belong to.
And from the flavor of this post so far, I’m sure you’ve probably gotten the feeling that I’m not coming down on the same side of this issue as most of the rest of the church membership.
Call me a heretic or a heathen if you want, but I just can’t seem to get my head around the idea that gay marriage actually hurts anyone. Gay people already live together, adopt children, and raise families. What exactly is it that you are trying to prevent here, the ability for gay people to visit their partners in the hospital, or denying one partner custody rights if a couple separates?
I have spoken with many of my peers who feel that restricting gay marriage is not enough. They would like to restrict the LGBT community even further so that they are not allowed to adopt children or raise families. This is unfortunate considering that children raised by same-sex couples do not differ significantly from children raised by heterosexual couples in terms of psychological dysfunction, victimization, likelihood of gay or lesbian sexual orientation (that’s right, children raised by gay and lesbian couples are no more likely to be gay or lesbian than children raised by heterosexual couples), or peer relationships (Golombok & Tasker, 1996; Rivers, Poteat, & Noret, 2008; Wainright & Patterson, 2008). In short, gay and lesbian couples have been consistently found to make just as good of parents as heterosexual couples (Herek, 2006).
The majority of the people that I come into contact with either at BYU or in the LDS church seem to endorse a more moderate position—civil unions are ok, just not marriage. Endorsement of this position is usually an attempt to demonstrate the absence of prejudice, but in reality it is just a more subversive form of it.
Why are civil unions a matter of prejudice, even if we are bestowing the same rights to same sex couples as heterosexual couples?
It goes beyond problems that arise when gay or lesbian couples move between states which often have inconsistent policies regarding civil unions—it is a matter of segregation, not just semantics. Labeling gay marriages as civil unions is the same as forcing black people to drink from a different water fountain. It is saying simply, that gays and lesbians can have the same rights so long as they are kept separate from the rest of us—separate but equal.
Some of my friends will no doubt argue that the circumstances of segregation differ because they believe that sexual orientation is a choice. Without getting into all of the evidence for or against a biological basis for sexual orientation, the fact is that in this country it shouldn’t matter. When mobs chased mormons out of Missouri and Illinois because of polygamy was that not discrimination based on belief or a choice? Discrimination because of belief or choice is still discrimination. Just because you believe someone wasn’t born that way doesn’t make it ok.
In this country such forms of discrimination are not ok.
Many of my peers are bent out of shape by the notion that allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry will somehow “redefine” marriage. I’m not exactly sure what they mean. We live in a country of definitional relativism. I don’t see people trying to legislate a definition for God or Jesus Christ. Does the fact that Catholics, Mormons, Jews, and Muslims all define diety differently really effect your own personal definitions?
Not allowing gay and lesbian couples to call their unions marriage would be sort of like revoking the Lutheran’s tax exempt status because they do not define God the same way as the Jehovah’s Witnesses.
Another fear which I have heard expressed by many of my peers is that government endorsement of a marriage between two people of the same sex will somehow obstruct the rights of religious institutions to practice their beliefs. This is of particular concern to LDS individuals who are worried that the government will force the LDS church to perform temple marriages between individuals who do not meet the church’s self proclaimed standards of temple worthiness (it is probably important to point out that the US government does not currently force the LDS church to perform marriages for heterosexual couples that do not meet the church’s standards). This is a reasonable concern, however, it is a concern which is already protected by the 1st amendment of the United States Constitution which reads:
“Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.”
This constitutional protection, however, does not seem to be enough to assuage many of these fears. Perhaps the way to pass gay marriage then, would be to provide a bill provision which allows churches and religious institutions to restrict which marriages they perform as protected by the first amendment. Such a provision would allow churches to retain their first amendment rights without infringing upon the rights of gay and lesbian couples to enter into civilly protected marriages. Churches have the right to believe that drinking, smoking, or gay or lesbian lifestyles are wrong, they just don’t have the right to force people of other faiths or beliefs to live by their standards.
To be fair, many from my side of the discussion have argued that the issue of gay marriage is a moral argument, and that morality does not belong in politics. Unfortunately this argument lacks an understanding of the word morality. To be moral is to be concerned with right and wrong.
We legislate morality all the time. For example, we consider killing another human being in cold blood to be wrong, so therefore we have a legal punishment set up for such an offense. To be legislated is to be moral. The fundamental question of whether to permit or outlaw same sex unions is indeed a value question. It is a question of the fundamental moral values of our country. Either our country is built on the philosophical assumptions that everyone has the unalienable rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness so long as our pursuits of happiness do not conflict with the same rights of others; or we are a “Christian nation” so far as Christianity is defined by the majority of people. Either we value the freedom which brought the pilgrims across the ocean in the first place—the freedom of belief—or we value forcing everyone to believe according to the dictates of our own individual faiths.
As for me, I value freedom. I don’t want to force anyone to live by my beliefs any more than I would want to be forced to live by theirs. We have laws to protect the rights of people, not to force them to live according to our own individual world-views. The whims of the majority should not be permitted to restrict the constitutional rights of minorities, so I support the right of same sex couples to marry.
Hey, look on the bright side, maybe letting people get married that have never had the ability to will actually decrease the divorce rate.
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References
Golombok, S., & Tasker, F. (1996). Do parents influence the sexual orientation of their children? Findings from a longitudinal study of lesbian families. Developmental Psychology, 32(1), 3-11.
Herek, G. M. (2006). Legal recognition of same-sex relationships in the United States: A social science perspective. American Psychologist, 61(6), 607-621.
Rivers, I., Poteat, V. P., & Noret, N. (2008). Victimization, social support, and psychosocial functioning among children of same-sex and opposite-sex couples in the United Kingdom. Developmental Psychology, 44(1), 127-134.
Wainright, J. L., & Patterson, C. J. (2008). Peer relations among adolescents with female same-sex parents. Developmental Psychology, 44(1), 117-126.
Saturday, December 27, 2008
Redefining rights—prop 8 passed?
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Wow! Thank you for posting this. It blew me away. We need more people like you in the Church!
I just can’t seem to get my head around the idea that gay marriage actually hurts anyone.
I struggle with that as well. I'm married - and I just can't understand how two men or two women marrying has any impact on my marriage or has any effect on my family.
I appreciate your comments
I greatly appreciated reading your thoughtful comments. It was so refreshing to hear words of support from within the LDS membership. Having had negative personal interactions with the Mormons in my own life, your views encouraged me enormously.
This spring, I'll finish my student teaching, graduate, and get a job. If I were a heterosexual male, I could very conceivably expect to marry the person I've been dating for the last two years. However, I've been dating a wonderful male and same-sex marriage has been constitutionally prohibited in both states of the bi-state area in which we reside.
Recently, I was discussing the California election results with a teacher (who is a devout Mormon) with whom I work closely at a local high school. She mentioned her desire to "defend the definition of marriage as it has stood since creation" (except for in the Hebrew Bible and pre-Utah statehood) and her desire to "stamp out those hyper-sexualized, drug-addicted homosexuals who want nothing more than to corrupt our children and destroy the family" and who have "nothing in common with decent people like you and I" (who can apparently still be considered a decent person because she has not yet figured out that I am gay).
The conservative, evangelical Christian church in I was raised teaches that Mormonism is a cult and that children (and everyone) should be protected from such false teachings (and would seek legislation if they could). While I do not see eye-to-eye with some of the teachings of the LDS church and their "prophets" (to borrow from the right-wing habit of italicizing words to attack their validity as in same-sex "marriage"), I believe they have every right to hold and practice their beliefs within their own religious sphere but no right to legislate those beliefs upon the rest of society (and certainly not to enshrine them in a civil governmental body's constitution!)
I know I rambled on here for quite a while and seem to be preaching to the Mormon Tabernacle Choir but I wanted to finish by thanking you again for your thoughtful approach to this subject.
You had a lot to say on this subject, and it was well presented.
Being one of those pesky Mormons that supported prop 8 however, I wish to point out two important reasons that people should oppose gay marriage, and especially if they are members of the Church of Jesus Christ.
First, it is a value question, just as you pointed out. We do, to some degree, have to legislate right and wrong. Some of it is to protect our citizens against harm, such as murder, and some of it is to express support or disdain for something such as laws against child pornography. While homosexuality may not be as awful as the aforementioned crimes, it is evil. Members of the Church of Jesus Christ who have read the prophetic proclamation on the family will know that gender is not as trivial as the homosexual community has made it out to be. It is an essential characteristic designed by God himself. Children have the right to a Father and Mother that love each other and honor marital vows, and no other type of union meets the necessary criteria as dictated by men of God than marriage between a man and a woman.
Second, because homosexuality is evil, and we live in a very different land than other people, all of our lives are at risk should we not fight against this evil. Jesus Christ swore in his wrath and fierce anger when the waters of the floods subsided that in the day the inhabitants of this land neglected his will, when they are ripened with iniquity (that's a fancy word for evil) they should be swept off. Given the fate of the Jaredites and the Nephites, I don't think he's bluffing.
In the end, it doesn't matter if we were designed to be a Christian nation. We better become one if we wish to survive. And that means embracing good, and fighting against evil, including the evil of homosexuality.
Yes, Brett, but if you follow the logic that homosexuality is evil and therefore must be fought, then you open the door inviting other to do the same. Southern Baptists and other Christians who believe Mormons are heretics (a fancy word for those who have grave theological misunderstandings) would be well within their calling to legislate against Mormonism and seek to stamp out this evil (though it may not be as evil as pedophilia or mass-murder). :)
because homosexuality is evil, and we live in a very different land than other people, all of our lives are at risk should we not fight against this evil.
Do you realize how hurtful such statements are to us 'evil homosexuals' who are members of the LDS church? - even for those of us who are living church standards (and are temple worthy).
Imagine if I were saying similar things about the evils of divorce and how divorced people are inherently evil.
Jason, as one of those "evil homosexuals" who also is a devout Mormon, doing his best in a marriage to a loving and supportive wife, I want to express my appreciation for this post, as well.
This is a really tough issue, and while it would be simple for each side to throw barbs, I don't feel that you did. I feel that your goal in this was more to present the opposing point of view, something that the myopic masses of American members of the church haven't taken into consideration before blindly saying yes.
I'm not saying that a "Yes" vote was bad, per se, but I am saying that a blindly-voted "yes" very much was.
As Invisible and Abelard have both said, we need more people like you in the church.
Wow, I'm a bit blown away by the response. I was expecting to get hammered (you know, more posts like Brett's—who I should say that despite his being wrong on this issue is still a good friend :-) ), but I really appreciate all of your comments. Obviously I should have written this months ago, but I didn't think prop 8 would ever actually pass. I would have written it right after the election, but the semester just got too busy for me. . .
Hey Jason,
RD here. Thanks for putting yourself out there man! I'm really impressed with your ability to articulate your stance. While I do differ with you on this issue, I agree with most of your points. Though I might be quickly dismissed as a "blind follower", which, for me, is a term based in a context void of possible divine revelation, I would say that the LDS Church still took a position on Proposition 8, and therefore I add my voice with their voice. I can discount their choice to become politically involved by a number of logical statements, appealing to democracy, etc. But when the Prophet and the Quorum of the 12 Apostles urge us as members of the LDS Church to take action, and since I have a testimony of their divine role, then I feel that I can with confidence, move forward with their decision as Prophets, Seers, and Revelators, without complete understanding.
I realize that I will likely be stereotyped by some as being a lemming, but when I believe, through personal revelation, that God has a Prophet on the earth, I will follow God's will. Do I still struggle with not having compete understanding, especially being educated in our particular professional paths, sure I do. But I believe and follow a prophet of God. That's where I don't struggle.
Anyway, I've appreciated all the comments on your blog and think it's awesome that you can touch so many people! Thanks again for putting this up! It would be great to hear what you think about what I've said but I know that you've got other things to do as well! Take care!
Mulder - If you're voting yes on Prop 8 because you believe that gay marriage goes against the teachings of the church, I could be okay with that.
If you're voting yes on Prop 8 because you believe the silly, frankly, and erroneous chain e-mails that got circulated, there, I would take umbrage.
you could not have said it better. agreed.
and we followed Brighams Youngs black prejudices all the way...and that was right and divine?
To reply to Kengo and Brent: Definitely the former reason rather than the latter. I try to avoid all chain mail in general, though no offense to those whose email boxes are full of that stuff. Because the LDS Church took a stand on the issue of gay marriage, I stand with them as Prophets, Seers and Revelators.
To reply to Zinj: While those in positions of prophetic authority are mortals and thus prone to make mistakes, those mistakes will not be made at a Church wide level. You can call that blind faith again, though if it comes to that, then I would rebuttal that it is only blind if there is no divine personal revelation involved. Therefore I'm inclined not to agree that Brigham Young's decisions concerning Africans and African Americans are follies of a Prophet. You define it as prejudice, and you have every right do to so, just as anyone else may define the LDS Church's stance on Proposition 8 as prejudice based as well. As a member of the LDS Church, I believe that the Prophet will not lead us astray, therefore, with my faith in God and his plan of Salvation, I move forward trying imperfectly at best, to follow his teachings that come from His Son and His Prophets, despite it's lack of universal social appeal.
Thanks for the comment RD. I guess I have 2 responses to what your saying. For me, I think that it is my responsibility to vote as a citizen first, which means that I need to take into account the rights of others as citizens before my own personal religious beliefs. Second of all, I don't believe that ever single thing that comes out of the mouth of a general authority is a statement of direct revelation from God. I mean all we have to do is look at the Martin Harris debacle, Salem treasure hunt, or even denying the priesthood based on race (there is a good Radio West episode on this where they look at in a historical context, it's very interesting http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/kuer/news/news.newsmain?action=article&ARTICLE_ID=1293692
http://www.publicbroadcasting.net/kuer/news/news.newsmain?action=article&ARTICLE_ID=1293692 — make sure you scroll down after clicking on the links) to see that even general authorities occasionally show their humanity. I have to vote and act according to my own conscience. It's not that I don't respect what you're saying RD (nice choice of moniker, it fits you well :-). I just think that we all have a responsibility for ourselves to try to follow the spirit in the best way that we can. I hope that answers your question.
Personally I think the church's involvement in this issue has more to do with politics than anything else. They got involved in response to a request from the catholic church in california. My guess is that they were trying to improve our image with catholics and evangelicals because they feel that missionaries are likely to be more successful with people who are already religious—but that's just my guess.
If you would like to know why the church leaders and most of the church stand up against same-sex marriage check out this article The Divine Institution of Marriage. I, for one, will stand with the Prophet and do whatever I can to support him even if that stand is unpopular.
I, for one, will stand with the Prophet and do whatever I can to support him even if that stand is unpopular.
That's fine - just don't criticize those of us who aren't in agreement with you and/or question our faithfulness in the church.
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